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Global Warming
Given the looming threat of global warming, what should the government be doing to battle this problem?
BrianEschen- Experienced Contributor
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Re: Global Warming
how about we take away the "given" and prove the problem?
tuubaaku- Contributor
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Government should nod and say "We may have a problem here...". If individual states wish to fight against pollution and other such things, that's fine. If we manage to fill the two houses of Congress with people that want something to happen and we happen to have a like-minded president, then I suppose they can make an ammendment... otherwise, it sounds like a personal problem. The hearts of men are wicked and desperately evil, so they don't care about the environment God gave us to rule over. If our nation is to become a wasteland like the Middle-east, so be it. Perhaps we'll learn a lesson.
As far as Global Warming is concerned, I'd vote for a government that would whistle and twiddle their thumbs until the issue of global cooling was brought forth 30 years later.
As far as Global Warming is concerned, I'd vote for a government that would whistle and twiddle their thumbs until the issue of global cooling was brought forth 30 years later.
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Wait a second . . . the news people all say global warming is a problem. Even my State Assemblymember is holding a forum to discuss the issue and try to sell her legislation to "solve" this "problem."
Are you suggesting that global warming is unproven? That is considered blasphemy in todays culture. So why is global warming not a problem? I was pretty hot last summer after all.
Are you suggesting that global warming is unproven? That is considered blasphemy in todays culture. So why is global warming not a problem? I was pretty hot last summer after all.
BrianEschen- Experienced Contributor
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I'm a bit more of a mindset that global warming activists need to prove to me that there is a problem, not that I have to prove there's not a problem...
tuubaaku- Contributor
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Well, if you look at this graph, clearly the temperatures are and have been rising over the last 80 or so years. Is this not global warming? What about those poor cuddly polar bears that will go extinct because the polar ice cap is melting?
BrianEschen- Experienced Contributor
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such loaded questions, and you're trying to make me explain why global warming isn't a problem which I don't really want to do... So I'll ask you why I should be worried about the temperature change shown on that graph. I'll also ask you to explain how that graph shows that the poor cuddly bears will go extinct because the polar ice caps are melting.
tuubaaku- Contributor
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Have you ever seen that Planet Earth video (put out by BBC)? The cute polar bears have less and less ice to hunt on every year...and they have to swim a lot more to get where they're going...and they get really really hungry...and then they have to attack a walrus and they get speared by the tusk and die...and then my daughter starts crying. What are you going to do about my daughter? I think you need to go buy a hybrid car so my daughter won't cry.tuubaaku wrote:I'll also ask you to explain how that graph shows that the poor cuddly bears will go extinct because the polar ice caps are melting.
jeschen- Newbie
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Well, i'll tell you what. If our Polar pals run out of ice, they can move in with me. We have a room available. Now hold on. They have to swim from one place to another. How bad is that? They actually have to exert energy? If I had to swim everywhere, I would really be in shape (or I might get lazy and have others swim around for me).
I saw an Al Gore video once. It wasn't very convincing. There is too much they can't prove. I think I will go about my life as usual. If someone wants to make better fuels, they can go right ahead. I am fine with government actions, as long as they don't limit my rights or force me to pay taxes on the environment. If they come to me and ask if i'd like to donate to a wild life fund, I might consider. Stealing (taxes) should not be tolerated, unless its being used for very specific things like the military (if we are in a Just war).
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Wait a second.........didn't polar bears evolve from grizzly bears??? If that's the case, and all the polar bears are forced to escape the polar ice caps to survive, or die.......won't they just evolve back into grizzly bears and eat salmon instead of seals? I know the seals will be happier. And if it's warmer, won't it keep the seal population down? So the question is this...why do we need polar bears in the first place?
HokieAirman- Newbie
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I hear the fathers kill the children too, if they get the chance. Bad role models. Yes, let them devolve back into Grizzly bears and all our problems will be solved.
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CheeseKing wrote: If someone wants to make better fuels, they can go right ahead. I am fine with government actions, as long as they don't limit my rights or force me to pay taxes on the environment.
The problem is that corn ethanol is not better and it's raising the price of everything. Price or corn goes up making the farmers pay more for cow food, so they charge more for cheese, butter, and milk. Anything that uses those goes up in price etc. Besides that there's even a question as to whether oil is really not being "produced" underground.
Global warming isn't believed by the vast majority of scientists. It is all simply a plot to give the government more power. Sometimes the arrogance of humans actually amazes me. To think that we could actually change the weather! Besides all that who says global warming is bad? Most likely before the fall the earth was like big greenhouse. We just had an ice age a few thousand years ago.
Anyways now you know what I think of global warming. By the way I think it's called global climate change since we seem to have lost in 1 year the celsius degree we gained.
Legolas Greenleaf- Experienced Contributor
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I would prefer to get my dairy products at lower prices, but i'll do what I have to do. It is a fact that cars can be made more efficient and can run many more miles per gallon, but its cheaper for Auto companies and to produce less-efficient cars. I suppose we could turn to greater efficiency with what we have. I have little education in either subject, so i'll just leave that up to you guys.
(to stay on topic) global warming my middle toe. Its freezing over here!
(to stay on topic) global warming my middle toe. Its freezing over here!
Re: Global Warming
For all you "naysayers" out there I have THE most convincing video as to the problems associated with global warming. Check out *edit* to be explained later . . .
BrianEschen- Experienced Contributor
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All politics aside and if you believe the "research" and the "facts", one points remains:
The ultimate goal of the "global warming" crowd is not unbiblical:
Better stewardship of this earth.
Their motivation is wrong as well as their methods, but their goal is admirable.
The ultimate goal of the "global warming" crowd is not unbiblical:
Better stewardship of this earth.
Their motivation is wrong as well as their methods, but their goal is admirable.
YoungStonewall- High Lord Protector Against Sanity
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Their supposed goal is admirable. It is rather a shame that we don't have more christians starting organizations with the goal of being good stewards of the earth. God intends to restore this earth and we of all people should seek to take good care of this earth. Many christians forget or don't realize that we're going to inherit this earth one day and God commands us to be good stewards in the mean time.
The problem with the global warming crowd is that their motive is simply more government control this is just one way to disguise it. They are completely ignoring all the evidence in favor of their agenda. Besides all the petty arguments is the question, "Is global warming even bad?" I mean as far as we can tell before the flood it was much warmer and the current temperature of the earth is one reason the dinosaurs died out.
The problem with the global warming crowd is that their motive is simply more government control this is just one way to disguise it. They are completely ignoring all the evidence in favor of their agenda. Besides all the petty arguments is the question, "Is global warming even bad?" I mean as far as we can tell before the flood it was much warmer and the current temperature of the earth is one reason the dinosaurs died out.
Legolas Greenleaf- Experienced Contributor
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Another problem with some environmentalists is their disregard for human life. Sometimes, their view is that we should preserve the planet, even if it means ruining people's lives, or even causing deaths. I have a huge problem with that.
At the same time, they might have some valid points, but I haven't heard global warming defended very well. Actually, someone in my speech class on Monday tried to convince us to "go green." It wasn't very convincing, but I am happy to consider evidence for different views.
At the same time, they might have some valid points, but I haven't heard global warming defended very well. Actually, someone in my speech class on Monday tried to convince us to "go green." It wasn't very convincing, but I am happy to consider evidence for different views.
tuubaaku- Contributor
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"While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease."
Genesis 8:22
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease."
Genesis 8:22
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The problem is that corn ethanol is not better and it's raising the price of everything.
Corn is not the only thing raising the price of everything. Out of control inflation is also raising the price of everything. Ethanol is helping. Ultimately, it's a bad thing...for one thing, if we convert to ethanol fuel, what happens to the price of fuel when there's a catastrophically bad year for corn?
I agree with Young Stonewall above, that we should be good stewards of the earth, but not be stealing peoples land, but by converting them to Christianity and instilling them with the same sense of stewardship that we share.
Ultimately, the market will move to correct the damage we've done to our environment. Organic farmers are realizing that they can get more productive crops by rotating them on 1/2 the acreage than when they used the entire farm year after year. Auto makers are providing cars for those who want to pay more for a 'green' car. Alternate power sources for homes are gaining popularity and are increasingly more affordable and actually provide a return of investment. Did you know it's possible to sell excess energy back to the power companies? This is a great source of passive income if the initial investment is worth it.
HokieAirman- Newbie
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I've heard that everyone was worring about global warming around the turn of the century (though it may have been earlier/later). I simply feel that the earth has a limited supply of natural resources - which goes to prove the young earth theory - and that we should be good stewards with what God has blessed up with. Just as long as you don't go overboard (which is never a good idea with anything).
Re: Global Warming
I'm not sure. Why don't you tell?
Legolas Greenleaf- Experienced Contributor
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Well, it turns out the global warming is more like global cooling!
Here's the email my mother received from www.grassfire.org:
Has any else heard of this global warming bill/tax? It sounds awful.
Here's the email my mother received from www.grassfire.org:
>From the Desk of:
Steve Elliott, President, Grassfire.org Alliance
5/5/2008
Dear ____,
The latest "computer models" from global warming scientists show
that global warming will be in retreat at least until 2015.
Combined with the fact that there has been no global warming
since the peak year of 1998, even Climate Alarmist scientists
are being forced to recognize that we could be looking at
nearly a two-decade hiatus from global warming.
For the record, here's the history of global warming back to
1940 and projected through 2015:
1940-1974 (34 years) -- global cooling
1975-1998 (23 years) -- global warming
1999-2015 (17 years) -- temperatures level then cool
Go here for access to resources on these newest reports:
http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?u=6814&RID=11589094
+ + Helping you expose the hoax
_____, Al Gore's idea that man-made global warming has
created a "planetary emergency" is a hoax. But the overwhelming
barrage from the media and Hollywood means you and I still have
an uphill fight to stop the Al Gore tax.
Our records show that you have not yet signed the petiton
to Stop Climate Alarmism. Please go here to sign today:
http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?u=6814&RID=11589094
Thanks so much for taking a stand.
Steve
P.S. I just got off a strategic conference call with our Capitol Hill
contacts who informed me that the Al Gore Tax bill is still slated
for a vote in early June. We fully expect the Senate to vote on
this $1.2 trillion Al Gore Tax before the first day of summer.
Please sign the petition today:
http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?u=6814&RID=11589094
Has any else heard of this global warming bill/tax? It sounds awful.
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