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Post by 89whiteandnerdy on Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:05 pm

Check this out, I got it on an email the other day.

Hooray for Michigan State . The story begins at Michigan State
University with a mechanical engineering professor named
Indrek Wichma n. Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim
Student's Association.

The e-mail was in response to the students' protest of the
Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad a
terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were 'hate
speech.' Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the
following:

Dear Muslem Association: As a professor of Mechanical
Engineering here at MSU I intend to protest your protest. I am
offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like
beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings,
suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in
Turkey ), burnings of Christian churches, the continued
persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of
Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and
women (called 'whores' in your culture), the murder of film
directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris
France. This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and
academic, and many, many of my colleagues.

I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and
uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as
you proceed with your infantile 'protests.' If you do not like
the values of the West - see the 1st Amendment - you are free
to leave . I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that
option. Please return to your ancestral homelands and build
them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.

Cordially, I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering

As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university didn't
like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be
reprimanded and the university impose mandatory diversity
training for faculty and mandate a seminar on hate and
discrimination for all freshmen.

Now the local chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR,
the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't
believe that the good professor had the right to express his
opinion. For its part, the university is standing its ground
in support of Professor Wichman, saying the e-mail was
private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his
remarks.

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Post by BrianEschen on Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:45 pm

What a wonderful stand for truth! Now that is someone who does not fear man.
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Post by tuubaaku on Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:11 am

Was that the right way to stand for truth?
dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and
uncivilized slave-trading Moslems...
Is that true of the American Muslims he was addressing? Is it something we should call them even if it is true?

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Post by YoungStonewall on Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:20 pm

If you understood what Islam really teaches, and encourages, you would have no problem what he said. Many Americans have been fooled by the happy smiling face of Islam here in the states, but there is alot of darkness at the core of Islam.

Did you know that the only way for a Muslim to have assurance of 'faith' and know he is going to heaven is to kill an infidel (Christian)?

Sounds pretty aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized to me.

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Post by BrianEschen on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:58 pm

tuubaaku wrote:Was that the right way to stand for truth?
dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and
uncivilized slave-trading Moslems...
Is that true of the American Muslims he was addressing? Is it something we should call them even if it is true?

There is a big difference between attacking an individual and a system of belief. I loathe the doctrines taught by the Catholic church and will gladly attack them (the doctrines), but would refrain from attacking Catholics. And yes it is something we should call them if it is true. Most people are not familiar with the Muslim slave trade that goes on even today.
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Re: interesting

Post by tuubaaku on Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:42 pm

YoungStonewall wrote:If you understood what Islam really teaches, and encourages, you would have no problem what he said. Many Americans have been fooled by the happy smiling face of Islam here in the states, but there is alot of darkness at the core of Islam.

Did you know that the only way for a Muslim to have assurance of 'faith' and know he is going to heaven is to kill an infidel (Christian)?

Sounds pretty aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized to me.
I actually think I understand Islam reasonably well, thanks. Smile I am not saying that some Muslims are not "dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-traders." I heartily agree that they are. If we want to talk about Islam as a religion, I'll be the first to say how evil, dark, ... it is. And I completely agree that some Americans have been fooled about what Islam's really like. My two points, though, are these: 1) I don't think the people he was directly addressing are slave-traders, and they're probably not that uncivilized (since they're American, in college... - correct me if I'm wrong there). 2) Did it help to write that letter to the Muslims with that tone? Are they all now seeking Christ, or are they upset and demanding that the professor be punished? He made a point, but did it help?

There is a big difference between attacking an individual and a system of belief. I loathe the doctrines taught by the Catholic church and will gladly attack them (the doctrines), but would refrain from attacking Catholics. And yes it is something we should call them if it is true. Most people are not familiar with the Muslim slave trade that goes on even today.
Yes, there is a difference. That's basically my point. He says, "I counsel you..." and then goes on to call that student association dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, uncivilized, and slave-trading. I know they felt like he was attacking them as individuals, and I'm not sure I would disagree with their perspective that he was attacking them.

It looks like I should have added a little clarification to the question about calling them something even if it's true. I'm talking about *directly* to them, like this letter was.

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Post by BrianEschen on Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:03 pm

tuubaaku wrote:
Yes, there is a difference. That's basically my point. He says, "I counsel you..." and then goes on to call that student association dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, uncivilized, and slave-trading. I know they felt like he was attacking them as individuals, and I'm not sure I would disagree with their perspective that he was attacking them.

It looks like I should have added a little clarification to the question about calling them something even if it's true. I'm talking about *directly* to them, like this letter was.

I see no problem in saying that about a Muslim organization whether it is direct or not. If they don't want that label they should choose another one. What this man said about the Muslim religion is accurate. To attach Muslim to an organization implies that you hold to the system of Islam.
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Re: interesting

Post by tuubaaku on Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:07 pm

OK, that's cool. I don't think it accomplished much, but I'll leave it there.

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Post by 89whiteandnerdy on Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:37 pm

***Mod Topic Split*** - see new thread here.
Let's try to keep these threads on topic.

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